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Covenants and the "Attempted Murder" theory
One of the current debates in the political world involves John Kerry and religion, which has brought to mind a few issues to discuss.
John Kerry is Catholic. Like many Catholics, however, Kerry is pro-choice which puts him at direct odds with the official Catholic position on abortion. (read about the debate here) Kerry maintains he is still a 'good' Catholic and entitled to partake of communion at Mass every week. Many in the church hierarchy say no, he shouldn't because he doesn't accept--in fact, openly attacks--a key tenet to the Catholic faith.
One sees this all the time--Catholics often having diametrically opposite opinions to the official church positions, yet still consider themselves devout Catholics. You don't see that phenomenon much in the Mormon world--that is, you don't normally find famous/semi-famous Latter-Day Saints who openly break basic LDS commandments (say, drinking or smoking) while at the same time claiming to still be an 'active member'. Oh, of course, Saints break commandments like drinking and smoking all the time, but usually they admit they are not following Church standards and separate themselves from the Church to an extent. You won't find, for example, an LDS politician who openly drinks, smokes, and/or cohabits with someone (etc) AND also claims that he is still a 'good' member, worthy to partake of the sacrament every week and/or go to the temple.
(If anyone can think of an example of someone in history who openly broke LDS commandments yet still claimed to be a good Mormon, let me know...)
Of course, the size of the Catholic church is a factor (and, as the article mentions, the recent sex scandals have really hurt credibility) but still, I've always wondered why so many people claim to be devout Catholics and yet don't listen to what the Church has to say...
This brings up a deeper issue, though, concerning covenants and 'sinning':
Different churches have different interpretations of scripture and of what constitutes 'sin' (whoa...there's a news flash...)
Catholics believe all use of birth control is wrong in the sight of God. Generally speaking, Mormons do not.
Mormons believe drinking and smoking are wrong in the sight of God. Catholics, as far as I know, do not.
Let's suppose you have two guys, Bob and Rob. Bob is LDS, but he secretly has a drinking habit. Rob is Catholic, but he and his wife use birth control frequently. Now, from an absolutist perspective, God is either Mormon or Catholic (or perhaps neither)--He can't be 'both'. In other words, (sticking with the either/or option for now) God either considers using birth control a sin and drinking not a sin, or vice versa. Now, here's the question: considering the above actions only, which of the two guys would be considered 'sinners' in God's eyes?
(a) Neither
(b) One and only one of them
(c) Both of them
In theory, either Bob or Rob is in the clear: his action, while considered to be a sin in the 'wrong' Church, it turns out in the day of judgement to be something that God doesn't happen to care about. Therefore you might conclude that only one of them will be 'punished' because only one of them did something that's considered a sin.
In my opinion, though, the answer is (c): both of them are 'sinners' and will receive a 'punishment' of sorts. From the absolutist perspective, it's true: one of them did something that wasn't actually on God's list of sins...but he thought it was, and it was in fact on the list of sins of the particular church which he had accepted as the right one.
In other words, it becomes something similar to 'attempted murder': he didn't actually break a commandment...but he tried to. If you think something is wrong but do it anyway, that shows a particular attitude towards righteousness, doesn't it? Would God let him go unpunished because of a 'technicality', essentially--or would He say his heart and intent was in the wrong place even though he didn't actually succeed in breaking a commandment.
Basically, I believe God will judge mankind based on the covenants we make--regardless of what they happen to be--because how we fulfill those covenants shows much about our character. Catholics who don't follow Catholic doctrine will be punished whether or not God happens to be 'Catholic', and ditto for Mormons. A Catholic priest, for example, who takes a vow of celibacy but then gets married to a women (perfectly okay in the LDS view) would still be punished because he broke his own covenant, and in a sense it doesn't matter whether God believes all men should be married or not, He still rightly judge the priest for breaking his vow.
An example of this would be the Anti-Nephi-Lehis in the Book of Mormon. They made a covenant that they would bury their weapons of war and never fight again. Now, God doesn't require all men to abstain from fighting (i.e. fighting is not necessarily a 'sin'), but He undoubtedly accepted their covenant and would judge them according to it. If one or more of them had broken their covenant (which Helaman warned them not to) and fought the Lamanites, they would be held accountable, even though the Nephites who were fighting alongside of them would not be. Even though God didn't require them to covenant not to fight, He would be able to judge them for good or bad according to how they fulfilled their covenant. (And as the story goes, of course, they did fulfill their covenant and received the Lord's blessing because of it)
In any case, this earth is a time to be tested--to see if we're capable of making and following our covenants and I believe we'll all be judged according to how we fulfill the promises we make, regardless of what church we belong to.
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There is gray area, of course, because Catholics are baptized as infants and arguably infants can't make binding baptismal covenants at that age. The 'covenants' referred to then, could be more abstract--taking place when that person grows up and decides which path to follow.
Also, a priest who marries, for example, may not be a 'covenant breaker' in all cases. He might have prayed sincerely and received guidance from the Holy Ghost in deciding to marry. The key is whether you are doing so because you feel it is God's will, or because you're simply feeling disobedient and treating your original covenant lightly.
In other words, attitude matters. Are you 'breaking' covenants because you don't feel like following them anymore, or because you're superceding them with NEW covenants. Many former Catholic priests are now Mormon, for example, with wives and families and I don't believe they'll be judged for not being 'celibate' because they were seeking to do God's will and simply replaced their old vows with new ones.
Posted by: The Baron | May 10, 2004 10:06:14 AM
Nice post. Perhaps key is the "aware" "decision" to make a new covenant to replace an old one. Also, problematic is whether a former Catholic priest actually had a covenant to change...as one could argue that since it takes two to make a covenant...
In anycase, making an aware decision & not being a hypocrit, i.e. having integrity, is probably key to having the Spirit in your life/becoming like God. Something about him never breaking his word to those he has promised in the D&C?
Posted by: lyle | May 10, 2004 12:13:59 PM
A great post as usal.
What bring even more interest to the issue is the fact that there are many people who will likely be in the Celestial Kingdom despite not ever having been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (i.e. Adam, Noah, Moses, elijah, Peter, Paul, Jesus, etc).
Posted by: Kim Siever | May 10, 2004 12:17:47 PM
Of course, all of the above were members of the true gospel at the time--which amounts to the same thing.
(I commented on your blog too, Kim...)
My post isn't saying that it doesn't matter what church you belong to, because it does (in terms of priesthood authority, essential ordinances, etc...) Only that God would care whether you fulfill your covenants (regardless of religion) BECAUSE that will transfer over if/when you do join the true gospel in the future. In other words, God likes good Catholics more than bad Mormons because the first group usually becomes good Mormons if/when they join. The joining would still be important, though, because of the necessity of the ordinances. There's no doubt that there are good Catholics, Muslims, and Buddhists today who are 'celestial-worthy', but they would still need to fulfill the required ordinances, which is one of the main reasons for the Church's existence.
Another example: In Acts, Saul/Paul was very diligent in fulfulling his 'religious obligations' which at the time meant persecuting the early Christians. This was 'good' in God's sight because he wasn't lazy--he worked tirelessly on behalf of what he believed in, so after his 'conversion' he used those same convictions on behalf of the early Church. He still needed the 'conversion', though--if he had remained an enemy to the Church the rest of his life, his eternal destiny would have been much different...
Posted by: The Baron | May 10, 2004 1:42:48 PM
That's the important distinction. It's not necessarily the church as an entity itself that matters. It's our obedience to God's will (including commandmenets, covenants and the like).
Posted by: Kim Siever | May 10, 2004 6:45:30 PM
Some good thoughts here. However, let me point out that your factual assumptions may not be completely watertight.
For example, the Word of Wisdom was not really considered a commandment until about the turn of the century. Church history has record of Joseph Smith drinking alcohol, drinking coffee, and encouraging Porter Rockwell (who also drank) to open up a bar.
Early (pre-1844) polygamy was also a murky area. Many members practiced polygamy before it was publicly announced. And because it was not legal, the church leaders made several statements that the church was not authorizing polygamous marriages. In addition, such marriages were not legally recognized. So, you did have a situation where Joseph Smith was publicly stating that the church was not polygamous and strenuously denying any claims of polygamy (the Nauvoo Expositor was destroyed because of its editorial about polygamy), while also marrying various wives, who were technically only cohabiting with him, since the marriages were not legal. (So, openly denouncing polygamy while secretly, and openly to some members, practicing polygamy, which was legally only cohabitation).
I don't know if that evidence goes against your statement, "You won't find, for example, an LDS politician who openly drinks, smokes, and/or cohabits with someone (etc) AND also claims that he is still a 'good' member, worthy to partake of the sacrament every week and/or go to the temple." At the very least, it suggests that the answer isn't as clear-cut as we might think today.
(Also, there's a FARMS article I've seen about James E. Talmage's use of cigars to calm his nerves -- though I don't know if we would say that that comes under a medicinal exception).
Posted by: Kaimi | May 12, 2004 1:10:19 PM
Kaimi's correct; the 'absoluteness' of the Word of Wisdom has changed through time. Naming some other commandment would probably have made for a stronger analogy--although there aren't THAT many things to choose from that Catholics can do that Mormons can't...
Still, though, the change in WOW status Kaimi mentions also demonstrates my main point--that attitude matters. I don't believe Joseph Smith or early Saints would be 'judged' as harshly (if at all) for partaking of alcohol or tobacco as a Church member today would because the status of WOW as a commandment has changed. Even though from an absolute perspective, drinking alcohol would be just as 'unwise' then as now (well, maybe--depends on the differences in alcohol content)--the present day member would be willfully disobeying a strict commandment of the Church, whereas the early Saints were not. Just like the Anti-Nephi-Lehi's covenanting to no longer shed blood, the Church today has accepted the Word of Wisdom as a commandment and regardless of how high alcohol or tobacco use really ranks on God's 'sin list', he'll be judging us according to how we fulfill the covenants we have made.
Posted by: The Baron | May 12, 2004 2:09:06 PM
Have you ever met a Mormon in person who used to be a Catholic priest? I think this is a faith promoting rumor. It would be very unlikely that a man who took a vow of celibacy would leave the Catholic church, join the Mormon church and marry, have sex, and have a family. I've heard this sort of story before and I don't believe it.
Posted by: Ellen | May 17, 2004 6:40:08 AM
Actually...yes. The former president of the Taiwan Taipei temple ca.1998/1999 is a former Catholic priest who is now married. He was converted upon reading 'A Marvelous Work and a Wonder' by LeGrande Richards, given to him by two missionaries.
Why would it be 'unlikely' that a Catholic priest would decide to become Mormon and get married? Their reasons for converting would be about the same as any other person who becomes Mormon, and even among Catholics today, there's a lot of people who think the vow of celibacy for priests is outdated and that they should be able to marry and have families too...
Posted by: The Baron | May 17, 2004 7:52:24 AM